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Deep Thoughts by Ava

Please raise your hands if you just weren’t impressed with Jared’s, or the version the writer’s gave him, of Lucifer? There was so much cliché and contradiction wrapped into such a short time it made my head hurt. How can Lucifer admit that the reason behind his fall was his ambivalence towards humanity and still walk around in a human body? Hello, my name is hypocrisy, and unless this little side note is explained (IE he needs the vessel to interact on this plan) then this is a plot hole you could drive a truck through.


I thought Castiel of the future was funny, but again I’m confused as to why Castiel wouldn’t have passed away with his power. Where is Jimmy? Does this future version of Castiel have split personalities or did Castiel completely fry poor Jimmy’s soul the second time he took over?


I do admit that I cheered when Lucifer stepped on Dean of the future’s neck to break it. The casual, he’s really not that important, end was perfectly anti-climatic and, in all honesty, Dean of the future deserved it. I am disappointed that we didn’t know what caused Sam to say yes and that interests me more then Dean’s tears and remorse.

Oh... so you're still watching the show? Hm. I gave up mid last season.

So it is all apocalypse--right now'ish? Hmm.. Perhaps I should netflix the rest of last season... though it doesn't sound like you are giving it a rousing recommendation. I think I will keep with the not knowing.
I'm still watching. The acting makes me stick around even when I think Kripke and Co need to pick up a damn bible and read it. Plus I 'heart' Bobby like woah and he's been in nearly all the episodes so far this season.

The apocalypse is happening right now in the series. The battles are raging and the angels and humanity are currently on the losing end. There are some bright moments this season mostly surrounding Dean and Castiel's interaction and Chuck the prophet and they help balance out my confusion/irritation.

I'm just disappointed that Kripke and Co are doing the same 'why me' devil as most of Hollywood. I would have liked to see something different even if they made him sympathetic. I do like the actor playing him currently though. He has a definite guy next door vibe that makes him creepy.
Hmm... I googled lucifer-supernatural-images and looked around and yeah, he is next-door'ish. Not OMG interesting looking enough to rope me back into the show, though.

And I kind of hate how Hollywood does the bible.

Maybe I'll catch up on the rerun-flipside...

I'm actually glad they didn't pick a pretty boy. Now don't get me wrong I adore me some Jared and Jensen, but I want substance over eye candy most of the time.

Me too on the Hollywood and bible... the Passion of the Christ was decent, but a little squicky at times.
Passion of the Christ made me twitch. I actually went to the theater to see it, and I thought about asking for a refund. Oh sure, Mel Gibson, this is the TRUE story of what happened. Factual account. Right. I thought Jesus Christ Superstar had more truth in it, and I include the singing.
I’m sorry, but when was it ever advertised as factual? Mel Gibson mainly stuck to the New Testament and didn’t ‘sugar coat’ the torture Christ supposedly went through. I’m confused by your statement.
Gibson claims that his film is "very realistic and as close as possible to what I perceive the truth to be." - Taken from

Mel Gibson really wants authenticity on his next directing project, a movie about Jesus Christ called ''The Passion.'' - Taken from,,353684,00.html

YMMV on whether factual = authentic.

Regardless, I thought it was bizarre that he kept saying in interviews that he wanted something realistic, yet he portrayed a character as seeing demons, never telling anyone that he saw the demons, and dying. Where did these demons come from, then?
His creep factor was interesting, but I like Kripke's sympathetic version, but Jared kinda dropped the ball. He want for superior over sympathetic and it made me dislike the character. Of course that Lucifer had already won so that might account for the characterization shift.
Jared could have hit that realy hard. Just sayin'. I've not watch the whole ep yet, just read what everyone else has said. Can't wait really.
Jared could have taken that and run with it, but he definitely played it safe and that kinda made me feel 'meh' about the character when previously I had enjoyed the little snippets we got.
I definitely think something was lacking in Jared's performance, it was a whole almost there but not quite that made me sad, it also makes me feel bad in thinking that if they would have given Jensen the same role he would have knocked it out of the park.

I absolutely loved the episode as a whole and I think I am helped by the fact that I know next to nothing about the bible and I never really cared for it. What's in my television shows as close as I get to religion, although I do think the writers could make more of an effort to read the texts closer for those watching that do have the knowledge.

I am admit I am solely in if for the Winchesters and Castiel, I have been watching this show for 5 years now and I am too attached to stop. I think Jensen played dual role amazingly well, and while I wish they would have made more of an effort to rough future Dean up a bit and make him look different the acting was definitely better than I've seen on most tv show and even movies.

I think Castiel' story in particular was heart wrenching, the promos showed it as funny but future Castiel was so dead inside and miserable.

Oh and a theory someone had on my flist about Castiel and Jimmy is most likely Jimmy was killed when Cas exploded at the end of last season and that the body Cas is in is solely his, there was even a theory that his soul (being all angel like and massively powerful) is now fused with the body much like human souls are to theirs. Not sure on this theory but I do like it, it leaves a lot to think about.

(and BTW I LOVE the Buffy icon so much)
Love your episode thoughts always get my mind going.

I wasn't impressed with Jared's version of Lucifer. Now whether that be from the writer's or from Jared's acting I can't decide. I've just seen him act much stronger in previous scenes and this seemed lacking. Lucifer just isn't what I envision as Lucifer nor is he what I get from the bible. I felt SPN/Jared's Lucifer lacked that lure that I perceive.

I don't really agree with some of the points that SPN has gone with then it comes to some of their bible aspects. I suppose that's where 'creative licensing' comes in. Still, it irks me a bit.

Yeah the whole Castiel thing brings lots of questions. Do you think they just wanted to go for a complete opposite? Or do you think Jimmy almost got soul burned and when he was 'abandoned' he just couldn't deal with everything so we got 5 year future Castiel??

I figured Sam said yes because he felt abandoned and Lucifer kept on him, luring him closer, but I think THAT would've made for some interesting TV.